09-18-1986 (Planning & Zoning) Minutes �
MINUTES
PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 18, 1986
T�e F'lan�ir.g and lor'1no Com'niss: on for tw 0t\ of WViie,
| exas me! in a Reguiar Kepting o� Seprember 18 , Who in
C�nnunity �oom ar 8�0. " homas Street A quorum was presew
and notice of the nselinn Aad Leen posted for the tzoe ang
jn �0e oa/mer ' equired by ] aw. 7hose prespn1 were: Chairma'
Kent "rare, Brian Chaney , Fred Ouellette , 9er
Scho� / , and Ken Mauk , Bill Chapman was absent . Represencing
the city sta[f was Sus 4. Pappas , City /1anagar; Roy Faires ,
Code Eoforcement L}f/ icer ; and Amanda Mapies ` Sao retarv.
rhs yeeting was called to order at rQ00 P. M. by CAairnar
Ken\ Crane,,
Ke''
Mauk made a motion to accept the minutes as presenreo.
Vice-Chairnan Brian uhaney seconded the motion. 10cion
carried 5-{ .
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I PLAN_'-FOR,
WYW�HAM -E�TAT�� - The petitioner , the developer of Wyncr.'an
Estates , is requesting a change in zoning for the portioA n{
Wyndham Estates Phase Il that ; s now designated for 2F
(Jamlex ) housing , to Planned Development . Since his pub/ lc
zmprove*ents, z . e. , streets , utilities etc . are already L '�
place, ne is presenting a developmental plan whirj .
cor,esponds wit|, a fina : p| ac. no staf ^ has rev.ewem t4/ s
plan Ord ' ecomWends approval on Q. grouncs tnat r1e
"tip.Clat> cns made +or "The veadows ' have been taxen ioto
acc,u. t before present"tion cf this plan.
C/`uirnan Kr/ t / Ware cpenec the public hearing . /hej ' he. ng
no �ues� iors o' upoos1tion tMe pi.hlic hearing was c} osed a..:;
bn/ugh � be+ore the boart for discussion.
Q . Barcn Cook , devewper of Wynohan EsLates , stafed Vhat |'r
w�s requesting pb 40' zero 1oL line hones becaee the market
h*d shifPed fron. duplex and he felt that Akin kind 4 none
sonic sell easier �han min! ex . T�e to% al acreage nf Ore pL
js 5. 1 acres , a tocal or 17 duplex / nts. He would ^ jke a
{' s ni .v 'm |`ouse^ 1 hI L�ilne,' will i ''sn�; l th*
fe"ce , ewcn house would have a 1'} fcot siue ya' j . pp wh | ]
zisplay a sign a! al , �: mOs St ting way t�ese are zeru lo�
homes , and ie uould Like n rQuesL trat Or.e |ojsas un
` ots 2* 1Vh , ano 2/`B te allowei to have windcws n�` too zer`.
1oL l / ne snip of the Vo'ise due io me -ant traw zhey are .z ,
a cor '�er a"d no touse �il � bs to tm,m on th*L sice.
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i - that the oeve; oper s 'enue4� i `
+opt minioVn Mn so size rather 1ky+ a 1200 �1 .
mznnmum.
Ba/ o . Co�� siate� that t»e reason in wan�ad St �na" i '~r
hause s� ze is tnat 1e diJ not wanL to conpeLe wit '
Centennial hAomee and nn c'rder to do Vat /`e had to bcl10 z
smaller hone.
� ad CuslletUe asked Mi if he had ulanned to � n�tall
s, dewalPs alorg Brown 3treet, Mr. Cook statec| thar io zrder
to do that re would have tc out in a sharm sewer anJ tp*t
001 mpossible because tau dit. h Vs ;ull with City o ' Wy' ie
Wazer Lines and East Frrk Water Lires. Chszrman
4e01 Crane said that sidewal �s were a part o, our
3ubdivision Urdinance ar'd sonething wculd have to br don -.
"r . Pappas said that zf some culverts were pvt in siuew"l :s
would be pos*zble,
Frzd 3uellette scated thal on woold like Tor 15e
house size to be 1i00 sq. teat . Mr. Baron cook saiJ thac n-.-r
had already upgraded from a 900 sq. feet minimum in t/x`
d.^p] ex .
Ben Scholz said that he +elt the devsloper should Put i .` L�e
var62 bec"use it wou1d look so ouch nicer. Mr . Cook sai;
t1a1t there were two problems wUh that . One is Ju ynu put
the vard in at UO2 time people move ; : or to you pot in aIl
o; the yards at once and then yoL have to xpep the.n up .
Also , the seasoa that VIey move in has a lot to to wvn� it.
The second problc� is that it adds to the cost of the souse
a',d aJain , A ' m trying nnt W cznpete wi tn Centonn1al Homes.
Wai , man Kcnt L. a.�e stated that we are alwa/s lwary o�
somythi r�j new. Lut we have seen these zero lo� | ins hcmes
beFvre a:d Son compairing it to rental v`roperty , } fe+�
that tms is an upgrace becajse i + � s owner uccupanc�. ���
car cnmpar� the Pomeuw,er to an SF3 |,omerwnsr but LVe fant
is ,haL sooe peop : e liRs to take carK o+ thevr yarA aro
ot|crs Jon ' t like to. I oon ' � feel tnat t|'e nui lder s�ouio
he out to tne unou'z burden uf having to out in al � of tte
Vards. You can t say that �hese people would not be ab ; e | o
�ffor� to put in a yart because of the szze or cost o/ tte
} omc. li is nit up to us Lu maW thaL judgeoenc .
;ice '[hai , man Bri-n �La"ey asked what the zoninq was
dir*ctly acruss Brown 3treet . Mr . Paopa* laid �Kat it wn:'�
zoned SF2. Hr. Chaney sail tnat shouid taker �:{ o
~- cc'r'sidal atzon. C lad rman Kent Lrnne saiu that in would Ve
se] i SF alu/.g t' at busy street anS i *oul � be
aven harder ^ u ssl l SF2 across fro/" duplex '.onsio�
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�en �- : t z sai'! ! hat he i " � z see hqw t-an YoPL
covaete wid. aentenr'iai at ail aeca4.se thcy ar & not tre sane
nype of ouuse. V . '.00� .+areW t�at he fell t|.*t rhey were
upgrading Lou a.-ea Sy 0xilding a 10W sn. foot o7 `�173o`,
sipgle, -re" standio; house in*tead of cna wilt + comKo.`
Fred Cuellette agreed tnat this was aq upgrade W''r ^`e
;ezt that and 1 , 00 sq. fo= minjmu.x noose size wou10 neniKt
t,e der as well ' Mr . Cook said tna� 1 + We non vet
deman.1e� an % 10n sq. house than that in what "an! ! bo
builc / L'ut he would like the rlexidility of 1000 sq. fow .
Chai/`^an vent Cra'a^ stated that we sho!.lo consijer th" ,
are people fnr whom a 1000 sq. Foot house is a macte/'
of choice rather than u"t the afFordab. ) ity. |ie sail that
[Ws iY providing service just like Mubile |omes anj ihat
we co .ld let them owj push them in Lc a Mobile
Home.
FreJ Ouellette askeg Mr . Couk what We oifference in Lhe
vrice of 1 1 (/0 sq. fee- was. Mr. Cook said frow 3 thousan�
to 5 thuusand dcl ] ars /or Ihe consumer . F- ed Ouellvtce said
Mot he wa* roncerned shout the house size because t1`e next
person wanzing to uo zero lot ! Inc homes will be ankzoq 4c'-
900 sq. 4eet. Wa ; rman Ke/ 't Crane stawd that ynu exclude a
market everytime the dollar amount goes "p and we `ave ,raoe
1L a policy on this noard not to let a `y decision Uhat *e
~~ make set a precidenz for future decisions. [very geL ^ sico
will be weig1eq strictjy on its merir. In n; mint 903 su .
feet is rertal property nod this is a clear separaticn �o
ow"er occupied P' operty.
Uky Manager , Gus H. PaFY'as said that the request about tnc
frunt $ence line had not been sett] ed. Baron Cock said toot
he had t--,o p/ oblem witn installing the +ences however , he
w.al'�ed co nui1d some of the homes with side entries and he
wou10 Like some flexio, lity in fencing that side uf nWe
house. Kr Pappas sait Mat the CiLy ' s main conrcrc was
what was tandum tu the side and back yards ano rot now + ar
tha +root yard woulz go up .
Cus H. Pan�as commented that on rhe Finu1
�lat , th+ lots should be renumbered tak1ng away the A and B
siivatjon , rumhering ir a straight sequencs.
agreedeu say�ng that Me numbering was an oversite.
Vice-Lhairman Brian Cna/`ey made a moiicn Lo accapz The
Ka'mev Develooment *s stated ; ado a cul /ert 1F iot 22 an�
} on 19 ror the S" dewa1K and t|.= fence should cle-rly ;"fzre
15e sice a:b ba7k ya, is and .oaint�i : toe N00o sq t
m � n! x/un huPse size. Uer' Scho} z spczn0ed the notio/` . hctj ' r'
ra, ' ieu 5-o.
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6EWTTED USES_JN CQMMERCIAL- ZONINBS Unto, Retaz ; I on. 0
Item [o. 52 wa� chanPe� from Ra'�i �� , [V , App i ^ ance �h.'p t'.
Pagiz , l�` lip oliance Repair Shoo . ) ten No. 7 , �c'dpz .r
Other Sports Arena was deveLev {r»w Speci + i '- lses in Retyj |
Ionir`g. Jnncr Indust'-zal wning Itep W . 93, Swimming Poc� ,
Co�mercz al or Pri vate , Outsj de was del e�e'j . Vi ce- �hai r''a'
Brzan Chaney made a notion to accept tnis 1ie1 wizh '.Le
aLCve mentiuned correc ons. Ken Mauk seconuer the moti "n .
Mntion carried 7-0.
7�- l�I-rH---PARKS-*-EEC,E)OARD-ON-PARK LAND
��D�CATI�04_{JRDINANCE _-AW�- PARK-- -MASTER_pLAN - hr ' C'�ri� �
Vzce-Chai ''man o [ tne Parks and Recreation 8oard st*taj
�5at he would low to request that tai s workshop �e
scheduled for a futu-e date due to We fact that many of Lh-
peopie on his Loard could not ba present . Vice-Cnai ' uz:
Brian Chaney made a motion to tabls tjis item to a /ut��
Kate. Ben Sc^olz secunned the mution . Motion car'-jel 5-0.
ITEM_NO� IL-ON_PARKLAND
Vice-Chairman Brian Chanpy made a
motion to taVe this iteM since it corresponded witn ` tem
-~ nuober 4. Fred O' iel not re seconded Lhe motion. |/oiion
corried 5-().
I�EM-NO�__6 ��-_REC[�|M�NDA7-I�N-Tl]-{�[TY,-C[IUNCI1= {]N_PARK-MASll�R
PLAN - Ben Scnol z made a motion to table this i tem sUce j t
corresponned with item numbur 4. Vice-Chairman Briar. Chare^
seconded the motion . Mot/ on carried 5-0.
IT�M-NQ�-_7_�_-ADJOURN - Ben 5chol z made , motion t� an jc oFi�
We Septemzer 1� ' 1906 , Aegular Mee1ing of the PlannipV ano
2onyng Ccnwission . Frrd Uuellecte secsndeg the ^mtion .
Motion carried 5 -0,
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Kent Crane, Chairman --
Plarning & Zoning Copmission
4espectfulAy Subm1tteg:
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�nanda Maplan , Socreta,y