10-07-1986 (Planning & Zoning) Minutes MINUTES
PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION
CALLED MEETING
TUESDAY', OCTOBER 7, 1986
!i#e Planning and Zoning Commission fee the i...7 t t; C} Wylie,
i;::'':a'rs met in •:� Called Joint Meeting with k:.I I Et f"c.•#f... ;:'aa eit l i l:l
Recreation Board on Oct..ober 7 , 1• ci6 in the Community Room at
;7l i t„) (l..•#i::i r i1:J.'•: Street. #-•# quorum W<':a s present a r...#d notice ::J+ t:.i#ir.?
meeting had been posted for." the time and in the mar tier.
required by Jaw„ Those present , zr ,• Chairman
Kent_ Crane,
Vice-Chairman Brian Chaney, Fred Ouellette,lcit - , Ken M.::!t.tF, and
Bill Chapman. Hen Scholz was absent. Representing the city
staff was Gus H. Pappas, City Manager ; Roy Faires, Lode
Enforcement Officer; and Amanda Maples , Secretar..y.
The-he meeting was called to order at 7: .b`0 F . N , by Vice-
Chairman Curtis Hale of the Parks and Recreation Board.
ITEM NO. 1 - CONDUCT WORKSHOP WITH PARKS & RECREA TION BOARD
RELATIVE TO THE PARKS MASTER PLAN AND THE PARK DEDICATION
ORDINANCE -.' City Manager Gus H. Pappas opened the discussion
saying tra.t. In meeting with Mr. Don Witt. , Superintendent of
t.h e Wylie School District , t.h e City a n d t h e School District
have been working to combine in long range planning whereas
the Hchcic:)l District and the City would duplicate the use o.i..
Land f c:ir the purpose of ball fields. The School District in
past! has.7 ... the
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the _ ;:?'t.: _ i had ''mot:?i'iiE', concerns 1 r-s this area (:.) :::'t._•.-.it_t'ri:C� t_l'#�.�
School District and the City do not always have the same
. .
1'ii-ae:.'cJis« One example of this is a fire station next ?::.t7 c+ll
Elementary School . M r „ Witt feels
attractive nuisance to a small child. Also,� _ . an La ;iL _
it ;
School _ ._. t .. _.. e .. ,f ... a large r-g enumber .. - �.
does ir'i::> not C_7 1. have ta.•-'!: t:t#E:,� need 6ii'i..1 r U i'` G'? ball
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fields therefore ball diamonds would serve the Cite ;
purposes more than t.hc:)se of the School District. I he City
feels that. through :Long range planning there would be enough
Middle Schools arid High Schools in the future to satisfy the
• . fields. City i sworking o plans �f o r..
need �r�i:.i f:. ball.I. .i. 1>�>:::. .. .�r i
several different configurations of playing fields that
would serve t a r Ci t y :s purposes. We wi 11 present them to
the School District and as they decide what needs the school
has, they can see if one of our plans Vdill meet their needs
as well . .The City would participate in the purchase o the
land and the development o•f the field. 1 he City would
install a rest:room which it would maintain arid would share
in i L:'l e cost G)'f• :c! parking lot.„
- Mr. Pappas went on to say that he felt that a good line a-,.-
communication had been opened with the School 0istr1Lt'
Through long range planning , school sites can ue designated
in undeveloped areas and as developers want to subdivide
they can be urged to sell land to the Schools at a
reasonable price. In this way long range planning will
benefit both the City and the School District.
Mr. Don Witt , Superintendent of Schools, addressed the
members of the Planning & Zoning Commission and the Parks
and Recreation Board saying that he had some very productive-
meetings with Mr. Pappas concerning joint long range
planning between the School District and the City. Through
Joint efforts with WSA the District has been able to provide
our schools with nice gymnasiams and the School Boara wants
to continue the practice. Upon visiting with Plano l
learned that the City can help the School District obtain
property from would be developers if the City knows of a
need for a school in that area. He went on to say that iF
we would pattern ourselves after anyone Plano would be it.
In Plano, if the School District needs to purchase 12 acres
for a school , and the City needs to purchase 5 acres for a
ball field , they jointly purchase property such that the
City would purchase 7 acres and the School District would
purchase 10 acres. The City would put up a back stop on its
- 5 acres and the School District could use it , however they
maintain separate deeds to the property.
Several months ago the School Board hired a planner to help
us locate school sites. He located 4 school sites for us
and we have now obtained them. We plan to work with the
City on obtaining others. I know that the School Board
approves of this concept. We can cut expenses and benifit
both the City and the School District.
Mrs. Sewell asked if the City would be participating in the
newly obtained school sites.
Mr. Pappas said that these sites were purchased be+ore
initiating this program but if the City can come up with
something small enough , maybe something could be worked out.
However , this program ' s benefit would come in the next group
of new school sites.
We have taken a map from the School District and moved some
prospective school sites to larger tracts of land because
dedications are more likely to come from large tracts than
small ones. If the School Board approves this, we will add
it to our land use plan map.
_ Mrs. Sewell asked if the Parks and Recreation 8oard should
consider the new school sites in their planning.
- Mr. Pappas said that we would be guessing at this pojnL buL
when everything is worked out we could send some drawings to
the School Board and see if something could be worked out.
The School Board is planning for either 22 or 28 new schools
and there will be lots of opportunity for this program in
the future.
Chairman Kent Crane stated that the Planning and Zoning
Commission is open to discussion from the School Board on
zoning issues that would pertain to the schools. We wou1d
like to invite representatives from the School Hoard to come
to our meetings and give us some input. One example of a
question that we had was the re-zoning of 2F to Pb around
the Middle School .
Mayor Pro-Tem Joe Fulgham commented that he was impressed
with the planning of the School Board and their sharing them
with us. I am very impressed with Plano and would like us
to pattern ourselves after them. Plano utilizes their power
easements, all parks are along that easement they use it as
a parking lot and the ball fields are beside that . l would
like to see us incorporate something like that into our
plan.
Chairman Kent Crane said that this document would provide
-� seed money to get our Parks Department off to a good start
for the future.
Mr. Faires gave the Parks and Recreation Board a brief
explanation of the proposed ordinance and its legality in
the Supreme Court .
Chairman Kent Crane explained that under this ordinance when
money or land is dedicated for a park it must benefit the
people who will be using the park.
Mr. Faires said that is why a Park Master Plan is
incorporated into the Ordinance, to show that everything is
separate. Page 3 section 3c of the ordinance states that a
developer will either dedicate acreage or pay $Z25. 00 per
dwelling unit and page 4 says that we will spend that mcx"ey
within 5 years.
Mrs. Sewell asked what we would do for money in 5 years when
that money is spent.
Mr. Pappas said that when we reached that point we would
begin to look at bond issues but this is a good starting
point.
_ Mrs. Chapman asked if this would apply to Home owners-
Associations.
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Mr . Pappas said that this ordinance would probably do away
with HOA because the dedication would be required to be a
public dedication. The only reason someone might want a HUA
is for exclusivity.
Mrs. Sewell stated that all parks don 't require the same
equipment and she would hate to be forced to spend money in
5 years that is not needed.
Mr. Pappas explained that the money would be spent thru
design , and the parks would be designed to spend the money
at build out.
Mrs. Chapman asked Mr. Pappas if he had discussed this
ordinance with any developers.
Mr. Pappas replied that he had not. His comments were based
on previous experience. He also stated that the lung term,
best interest of the City had to be kept in mind. Most
developers will feel that parks should be taken care of out
of the general fund and from bond issues.
Chairman Kent Crane said that the Planning and loninq
Commission had discussed the issue of fairness, imposing an
expense on new commers that old residence would beni +iL
— from. We talked about figures from $500. 00 per dweJling
unit and arrived at $225. 00 per dwelling unit. We felt that
in all fairness bond issues would require the resL of L)'e
population to contribute for the parks.
Mr . Morgan said that the City of Allen was a good example of
a city that is not planning for their parks. } hose people
have to go elsewhere to play sports.
Chairman Kent Crane said that on the Planning and Zoning
Commission we always try to look beyond today, into the
future and try to meet the needs of the City at build out.
Mrs. Sewell stated that the fact that we have growth and
that we are planning for it should say alot to developers in
Wylie.
Mr. Pappas said that this years budget had $z2,500 a1otten
for payment of bonds for improvements to the park that we
already have.
Chairman Kent Crane said that he didn ' t want t»e general
fund to back off just because this ordinance would produce
another money source.
_ Mr . Pappas said that this ordinance protects that money and
the general fund would be used for things that tne money
generated from this ordinance would not cover .
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Fred Ouellette said that he found 2 typographical errors zn
the ordinance: section 3A, the last sentence should read
"Non-Payment , " and section 8 should read "published one
time. "
Mr. Pappas said that school sites were taken out of sectioo
4 of this ordinance and now, considering our pla// with the
School Board , they should be put back in. A| so Lhe Par �'s
and Recreation Board should oe included in sectio/' 4.
Mr. Faires stated that we also needed to put Dock i '/tu me
ordinance that a government entity would be ab/e iu pu, ni 'a�e
land at the appraised value.
Chairman Kent Crane didn t feel that this would be ,ai/ . He
also wanted to check the previous minutes to seu i + L|/e pat
acre price should be changed to per unit prjce.
This ended the discussion o+ the Fark La/.o uedzcnLion
Urdinance with the Parks and Recreation Board.
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_ Kent Crane~ Chairman
Planning & zoning Commissio/'
Respectfully SuUmitted:
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Amanda Maples, Secretary