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12-03-1985 (City Council) Minutes 3 CALLED CITY COUNCIL MEETING — MINUTES DECEMBER 3, 1985 7 :30 P. M. The Wylie City Council met in a called session on Tuesday , December 3 , 1985 at 7 : 30 P . M. in the Community Room of Wylie . A quorum was present and notice of the meeting had been posted for the time and in the manner required by law . Mayor Akin presided . Those present were Mayor John W. Akin , iayor Pro Tem Don Hughes , Councilmembers Percy Simmons , Harold Spence , Randall Gaston , Joe Fulgham and William Martin , City Manager Gus Pappas , City Secretary Carolyn Jones , Public Works Director Bill Windham, Finance Director James Johnson , Fred Ouellette , Raymond Cooper , Mark Cooper , Richard Parker , Tom Mayes , Scott Doresey and Elayne Mayes of Wylie News , Don Kreymer , Joe George , and John Yeager . Mayor Akin called the meeting to order and gave the invocation , and stated that this was a workshop on the new City Hall complex . The building committee , Mayor Pro Tem Hughes , Councilman Simmons and Councilman Spence met with the City Manager and discussed the new complex. Mayor Akin stated that the building committee and city staff put together specs for the 30 , 000 sq . ft . and the 90 ,000 sq . ft . buildings and went out for bids on the new complex . Mayor Akin said that there were 378 questionniares returned of which 271 were in favor of the 2 . 5 m. build for the future , 63 in favor of the 1 . 6 m. build for present , 37 against and 7 undecided . City Manager Gus Pappas said he has contacted three engineers with experience on municipal buildings . The cost for an engineer will range from 6% to 8% to 8 1/2% of the total cost of the building . The estimated cost for an engineer for 2 . 5 m. building would be approximately $120 , 000 . to $200 , 000 . depending on if the charge was based on 6% or 8% . Also on some of the calls made , if jail specs had to be done , then that was another cost on this fee for these specs . A good esimated cost for the engineer on this building would be 7% of the cost of the building . Mayor Akin asked if on the bids did this include in house engineering . City Manager said yes , this was part of the bid . Councilman Simmons said the City received bids , but as of this date have not discussed them. . Councilman Simmons would like to see us take one bid at a time and go through them. ,m City Manager Gus Pappas said the engineering fee is included in the bid , but if we went out and hired our engineer , the party receiving the bid would still pay for an engineer and charge this cost back toward the bid . Councilman Simmons said the question on the architect , this responsiblity can be handled with the contract for the building . Bid No . 1 - W. Beam Construction - Floor plan was basically what the city staff sent out in the specs . It did have a few minor changes . Proposal A - $1 , 350 . 000 . 00 Proposal B - $2 , 640 , 000 . 00 Proposal C - $2 , 850 , 000 . 00 This is a tilt wall building . Bid No . 2 - Speed Fab-Crete - Proposal A - $999 , 829 . 00 Proposal B - no bid Proposal C - $1 , 829 , 632 .00 with 6 alternates ranging from an additional $8 , 000 . to .--,- $39 , 000 . which has to be added to the base bid . Total Proposal A $1 , 181 , 000 .00 Total Proposal C $1 , 935 , 368 . 00 Bid No . 3 - Sowesco , Inc . Proposal A - $1 , 175 , 000 . 00 Proposal B - $1 . 355 , 000 . 00 Proposal C - $1 , 525 , 000 .00 This bidder gave very little detail to their bid and this is a metal building . Bid No . 4 - Bredow Tobin Corp . Proposal A $1 , 485 , 000 . 00 plus the exterior finish Proposal B $2 , 170 , 000 . 00 Plus the exterior finish Proposal C S1 , 800 ,000 .00 plus the exterior finish These bids came in with three exterior finishes to choose from , one being all glass , one tilt wall , and one reflective galss and spandral system. This is the highest bid received . Bid No . 5 - C C P Asociates 9-d Proposal A $1 , 257 , 976 . submitted in and H concept . This would be the seconded bidder if the sheet and metal building was dropped . Mr . Fred Ouellette said that architectural fees , as he does a lot of bidding in this field , and when they bid they include the architect hours spent on the project . If you go to a firm for turn kep operations , then that firm is liable if any thing goes wrong . Mr . Raymond Cooper had several points to make : 1 . go to finance a building on lease purchase , you are adding $2 ,000 . a month to the taxes , 2 . our little town owing as much as $300 , 000 . then there is a great expense on interest , taxes , etc . 3 . indebted per household is $325 . 00 per year . 4 . would like for the Council to consider several alternatives : a . orginal proposal to build where the police 4011M station is b . buying the building were the City Hall has just recently moved c . to buy the old Wylie Clinic on N . First Street . Mr . Cooper feels this 2 . 5 m. building is more than the City of Wylie can afford . Mayor Akin commented on Rockwall not building enough and now has to go back to the people for another bond issue for larger quarters just one year later . Mr . Jim Lewis said the City of Garland had a population of 150 , 000 before they had a police station . Mr . Lewis feels this is to much for the City of Wylie . Mr . Richard Parker was asked to come to this meeting by friends . He feels 28% response on the questionnaire is not a good response from the citizens of Wylie . If the City Manager has convinced this Council that Wylie is going to be the Plano of the 90 ' s then maybe we should build . Mr . Fred Ouellette said there was not enough information on the one page questionniare and he was one of the seven undecided . He would like to see public meetings just for answering questions on the growth and the needs for this size building . Mr . Ouellette wanted to know if it was true that the City of Wylie ' s bond rate was so low that the city could not issue bonds . Mayor Akin said no , this was not ture . Mayor Akin called a five minute recess . Mayor called the meeting back to order . Mayor Akin said the 7 . 4 acres that was given is the place for the new Municipal Complex . Councilman Gaston said the atrium concept is the best way to go . Councilman Gaston said he would be open for discussing -- rejection of all bids and go out for bids for 60 , 000 square foot building . Councilman Gaston also said that there needs to be a correction made on the amount of square feet in the building housing City Hall that was printed in the paper and that this 2 . 5 m. does include the jail . Councilman Fulgham said he has changed his mind about hiring an architect . That the fee is much more than he had figured . Councilman Martin said no one wants to spend unnecessary money but we want the contract to state our terms about the control the City would have over the architect . Mayor Akin said he feels the people trust the Council or they would not have voted for the 2 . 5 m . The Council would not go out and spend all this in one day . Mayor Akin is inclined to go with 30 , 000 square foot building . Councilman Martin said he would go along with a 30 , 000 square foot building . Councilman Spence said he would go along with a 30 , 000 square foot building . Councilman Simmons said he would go along with a 30 , 000 square foot building . . Councilman Simmons would also like for the Council to consider a new Community Center on the site with the new City Hall . Mayor Pro Tem Huhges said 60 , 000 square foot building could be used for other activities in the City . Mayor Pro Tem Hughes also said lets build a city hall and not keep bring up if , ands & buts . Mayor Akin said in summary , it seemed to be the 30 , 000 square foot building over the others . Councilman Simmons said he would go for 40 , 000 square foot building and include a community center . Councilman Spence said there is 7 acres , and there is plenty of room for another building for the community center . City Manager Gus Pappas said from the general discussion , he needed to know which of the following to put on the next council agenda. One - accept or reject all bids , two , authorization for City Staff to go out for bids on a new city hall . Councilman Gaston - reject bids and go for 45 , 000 sq . ft . Councilman Fulgham - reject bids and go for 45 , 000 sq . ft . Councilman Martin - stay with 30 , 000 sq . ft . Mayor Akin - saty with 30, 000 sq . ft . Councilman Spence - stay with 30 ,000 sq . ft . Councilman Simmons - stay with 30 , 000 sq . ft . Mayor Pro Tem Hughes - no comment City Manager Gus Pappas said from this , it was his understanding that City Staff , after Council has awarded the bid , can rearrang the office areas if needed . Council said okay . Motion was made by Mayor Pro Tem Hughes to convene into 00. Executive Session under the authority of Article 6252-17 of V.A. C . S . Sectoin 2 paragraph "g" personnel matters . Seconded by Councilman Martin . With all in favor . Mayor Akin reconvened back into open session , there being no decisions to be made from the executive session , Mayor called for a motion to adjourn . Motion was made to adjourn , with all in favor . oWY * 4d , f John W. Akin , Mayor ATTEST. W ( (2? 7'.n'4 Carolyn J,ert�„ s;//e2 Secretary